The Bill Simmons Podcast

The Knicks (and a Crowded East)

Sep 22, 2026 · 2h 37m · take 15 of 42

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Billthem and I could flip Durin for Shengun, I would think about it because I'd just rather, I feel like they're at the same level and I'm just saving money.

BillIf I ran a team, I would be so obsessed with this cap and how to do this correctly. Because one mistake, you're set back for three years.

LoweBecause Shengun is like, they're not really similar players, but just in terms of like the percentage of the cap that has now been devoted to them by young up -and -coming teams although houston is like half young half not is somewhat similar and they both have these sort of like shangun is not really a three -point shooter although he's dabbled durin is not at all well shangun is rough defender shangun is not a rim protector durin that's the that's

Lowethe wild card is durin's defense can he become a top five defensive center top six defensive center in the NBA. Shingun will never be.

BillAren't there complicated advanced stats on that with Dern?

LoweYeah, his numbers are all over the place. Like some of his room protection numbers turn well, some don't. I think he's just okay right now in totality. But the body type and just the athleticism is so enticing in a way that Shingun will never have. But Shingun also, like as a passer, as a post -up threat, is on a completely different level.

LoweAnd it's also, I mean, Shingun didn't

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