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GilAnd obviously with cameras, that's not the case anymore. And I understand that. And he like half apologized. And it's like, there's no fractures here. Like this is just kind of football stuff, but you could see the frustration. I think yesterday, while we all feel good for the Browns, one of the takeaways I think was the coverage of the game and was kind of the decisions to have the piece on Deshaun Watson before the game, where it seemed like this

Gilis a redemption story for him. He's been through so much. And while I think that Cleveland can get behind this team, And I think that Cleveland can see their quarterback, Deshaun Watson, and say, this is our guy, we're winning with him, and they can start supporting him and kind of move past it.

GilNot at all in the form of grandstanding, but I got the impression just based on reactions and talking to people, it seems like much of America is not ready to kind of move on and have this redemption arc for Deshaun Watson and just say, hey, that's all in the past. Let's forgive and forget.

GilSo while this is exciting for Cleveland, it seems like the more successful he is, the more pushback outside of Cleveland they may get. And it's unfortunate for everyone but Deshaun Watson in this instance because it is a fun team, but it's become hard for a lot of people to look past the quarterback.

KapadiaYeah, I think they were really, you know, pushing the redemption arc. You're right, so much during that broadcast where you just wanted to be like, focus on the game because it doesn't, you know, get an adult in the room if you're going to talk about his off -field transgressions. And it didn't feel like they had one in that game because it was just like he got to the point where I just focus on the on -field stuff because they're

Kapadiatrying hard to blaming Browns fans and blaming the media. And like Deshaun Watson is a sympathetic figure. It's like, if you want to state the facts, state the facts that he faced allegations by more than two dozen women of sexual misconduct, served an 11 -game suspension, never admitted any wrongdoing, and then cashed in on $230 million guaranteed.

KapadiaLike most of America is not going to watch that and be like, I need to go find my place of worship and offer thoughts and prayers for this guy. Like that's just not how it's going to work. And they were pushing that so hard. And then I just thought the on -field performance of Watson, they missed the mark on that.

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